A white four engine Air Force transport plane with a red tail band flies above a blue ocean scattered with white clouds. WC-130 weather reconnaissance plane of the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron · U.S. Air Force
Top SecretProject Popeye
DeclassifiedMay 19, 1974
Hidden History · Unit 04 · Trust and Verify

Too Successful

For five rainy seasons the U.S. Air Force secretly seeded clouds over the Ho Chi Minh Trail to turn its roads to mud. A State Department memo worried the rain worked too well. Seven years later the Pentagon told the Senate it could not prove the rain worked at all.

Laos and Vietnam1966 to 1974
ClaimPosted, shared, reposted

They admitted they control the weather

The claim, as it circulatesSource not given

The military admitted it secretly made rain during the Vietnam War. They have been controlling the weather ever since, and the white trails you see behind jets are the same program.

The first sentence is true. The government confirmed it in 1974 with maps, flight counts and a yearly price. This page follows the real program through the memos of the people who ran it, then asks how far that true first sentence can carry the rest.

No. 1Laos · the dry season

A road that ran on dry weather

The Ho Chi Minh Trail was never one trail. It was a web of dirt roads and river fords that North Vietnam ran south through neighboring Laos to supply its forces in South Vietnam. Laos was officially neutral, so the United States bombed the trail without announcing it and watched it from the air.

Aerial photograph of a pale dirt road cutting through dark jungle and bomb craters. White printed labels read unnumbered road segment and destroyed truck, and a circle marks a spot in the trees.
Laos, January 16, 1970. Navy reconnaissance from 4,700 feet, with the photo interpreter's labels.U.S. Navy, National Archives · colorized

The trail's real master was the weather. The officer who later briefed the Senate explained the calendar.

"During the northeast monsoon the rainfall is light or nonexistent and even unimproved roads are unaffected by the limited rains. During the southwest monsoon the rainfall is heavy and almost daily. As a result, the unimproved roads in this region become soaked and will not support vehicular traffic."

Lt. Col. Ed Soyster, Joint Chiefs of Staff · closed Senate hearing, March 20, 1974
Aerial photograph of a river crossing surrounded by hundreds of round bomb craters on bare ground.
Near the Nam Gho River, August 24, 1970. Bombing left the ground around this crossing pocked like the moon.U.S. Air Force · colorized

Bombs could cut a road for a day. Rain could close it for months. So the Pentagon's idea, code named Popeye, was to make the mud come early and stay late.

A white cumulus cloud climbing into a blue sky, with a thin smooth cap of cloud sitting just above its top.
A cap cloud. The Popeye briefer told the Senate that a small cap like this one marks the updraft of a growing cloud, the spot where a seeding flare did its work. Seeding only worked on clouds already growing on their own.Dhaluza, Wikimedia Commons · CC BY 2.5
No. 2Se Kong valley, Laos · October 1966

Fifty six clouds

Navy scientists at China Lake, California, had built a seeding flare: a 40 millimeter cartridge holding a candle of silver iodide or lead iodide. Dropped into a cloud, it burned for about 36 seconds while falling 3,000 feet.

About twenty men in flight suits stand in rows in front of a large propeller airliner marked United States Weather Bureau.
Project Stormfury crew, 1966. This public hurricane program used the same seeding units.NOAA · colorized

The flare itself was no secret. The same units had been used in publicized rainmaking in Okinawa and Texas. What was new was the target. In October 1966 a test team led by China Lake scientists seeded clouds over the Se Kong River valley in the Lao panhandle. Nobody asked the government of Laos. The Pentagon counted 56 seedings and said more than 85 percent of the clouds reacted as the theory predicted.

Seed the CloudThe technique, from the 1974 briefing
A growing cumulus cloud over a jungle road, with an updraft in the middle, downdrafts along the sides and a small cap cloud above the updraft. A seeding plane crosses at seeding altitude.
–Cloud response
–How long it lasts
–How far it reaches

Pick a place to drop the flare. Each result comes from the Pentagon's own description of the technique.

One test storm did more than anyone intended.

Top Secret · Department of StateJanuary 13, 1967

"In one instance, the rainfall continued as the cloud moved eastward across the Vietnam border and inundated a U.S. Special Forces camp with nine inches of rain in four hours."

"If anything, the tests were 'too successful' ... neither the volume of induced rainfall nor the extent of area affected can be precisely predicted."

Foy D. Kohler, Deputy Under Secretary of State, to Secretary of State Dean Rusk
No. 3Washington · January to March 1967

Two bets on a secret

The Pentagon wanted a regular operation, run in strict secrecy. Because the rain would fall on Laos, the State Department had to agree. Kohler warned Secretary Rusk what could go wrong.

Kohler to Rusk · Top SecretProject Popeye

"We cannot lightly assume responsibility for unilaterally altering climate, and possibly landforms, in other sovereignties, and particularly for initiating weather warfare with an uncertain extent of injury to civilian populations."

"It seems highly unlikely that such operations could remain secret indefinitely, and our assumption should be that they will become known."

Foreign Relations of the United States, 1964 to 1968, Volume XXVIII, Document 274

Kohler wrote on the first page that he had "serious doubts." Rusk approved anyway, "on a strictly experimental basis," in five limited areas. Late in February the Joint Chiefs of Staff sent the White House a list of ways to step up the war. Item four made the opposite bet from Kohler's.

"LAOS OPERATIONS. Continue as at present plus Operation POP EYE to reduce trafficability along infiltration routes. ... Risk of compromise is minimal."

Joint Chiefs of Staff options for President Johnson, late February 1967 · printed in the Pentagon Papers
Three men in dark suits sit close together at a long table. The man in the middle leans forward with his hands clasped and looks off to the side.
Dean Rusk, Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara, February 9, 1968. Popeye needed a yes from both State and Defense.Yoichi Okamoto, LBJ Presidential Library · colorized

The first mission flew on March 20, 1967. Now you make the bet.

The Leak ClockPlace your bet, then run it
10 yrs
Timeline from 1966 onward comparing your guess with the dates the secret came out.

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No. 4Out of Thailand · 1967 to 1972

Logged as weather reconnaissance

Popeye ran on a small fleet: three WC-130 weather planes and two RF-4C reconnaissance jets, flying out of Thailand. A WC-130 carried a pod of 104 seeding units on each side of the fuselage.

On paper every flight was something else. WC-130 missions were logged as weather reconnaissance, and seeding reports went up a separate channel to the Joint Chiefs. The Pentagon later said the government of Thailand, whose bases the planes used, was not informed.

A camouflaged jet fighter with its landing gear down touches down on a runway past dry grass and palm trees.
Udorn, Thailand, 1968. An RF-4C of the 14th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron lands. Jets like this one carried seeding units in their flash cartridge bays.U.S. Air Force

In 1974 the Pentagon gave the Senate maps of where seeding was allowed. Step through the printed maps, lined up so the coastline holds still while the shaded areas change.

The Pentagon's MapsAuthorized seeding areas · 1967 to 1972
Printed map of Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia. A long shaded strip follows the Laos panhandle along the Vietnam border, labeled approved 25 Feb 67. The same map with a hatched block added in the north, labeled added 11 Jul 67. The same map with a small area added over the A Shau Valley in South Vietnam, labeled added 13 Sep 67, and a box with the 1967 totals. The same map with part of the northern block removed, labeled deleted 1 Apr 68. The same map with a hatched strip added inside North Vietnam along the border, labeled added 25 Sep 68. The same map with the North Vietnam strip outlined as removed, labeled deleted 1 Nov 68, and a box with the 1968 and 1969 totals. The same map with the areas in Laos redrawn in the north and south, labeled added 1970, and a box with the 1970 and 1971 totals. The same map with the northern area outlined as deleted in 1972 and a large area added over northeast Cambodia and South Vietnam, with a box of 1972 totals. Chart 4

25 Feb 1967

Bar chart of Popeye by year, 1967 to 1972. The numbers are in the table below.

See the Pentagon's printed table
Printed table titled sorties and seeding units expended for program, listing each year from 1967 to 1972 with totals of 2602 sorties and 47,409 units.
Chart 12 of the briefing. The map for 1968 and 1969 prints 737 and 526 sorties. This table prints 734 and 528, and its total of 2,602 matches its own rows.U.S. Senate hearing record, 1974
No. 5Eastern Laos · June 1971

Twenty one or twenty three

Did the rain work? Nobody could measure it, because there were too few rain gauges in enemy territory. Working backward from units dropped, the Defense Intelligence Agency estimated rainfall rose in limited areas by up to 30 percent. To show what success looked like, the briefer walked the senators through one month. Follow his numbers down.

June 1971, Step by StepThe Pentagon's showcase month
  1. 1,391Seeding units dropped in June.
April to mid MayScattered thundershowers already interrupt traffic.
May and JuneThe ground soaks until it is saturated.
End of JuneThe monsoon sets in. Roads stay soggy until fall.
June 1 to 8241 units. A typhoon drives heavy natural rain.
June 9 to 15240 units.
June 16 to 22542 units, the heaviest seeding of the month.
June 23 to 30368 units. Another typhoon and a tropical storm pass through during the month.

Press Next step.

Looking up at the underside of a Navy patrol plane as a crewman lifts a long cylinder into a rack under the wing.
Nakhon Phanom, Thailand, around 1967. Loading a seismic sensor to drop along the trail.U.S. Navy · colorized

Asked whether it worked, Dennis Doolin, the Pentagon official in charge of East Asia policy, looked at the rainfall charts.

"When you are getting 21 inches in a given area and we add 2 inches, if I was on the bottom, I do not think I would know the difference between 21 and 23."

Dennis Doolin, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense · March 20, 1974

The briefing's conclusion was just as flat. At about $3.6 million a year, the program stayed alive because it was cheap.

"While this program had an effect on the primitive road conditions in these areas the results were certainly limited and unverifiable."

Pentagon briefing to the Senate · March 20, 1974
No. 6Washington · 1971 to 1972

Never over North Vietnam

After Jack Anderson's column, Senator Claiborne Pell of Rhode Island began asking about weather warfare in public. On April 18, 1972, Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird was asked about weather modification before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He answered with one sentence.

Laird to the Senate, April 18, 1972

"We have never engaged in that type of activity over North Vietnam."

The Pentagon's own chart, 1974

1,017 seeding units dropped over North Vietnam in 1967. Another 98 in 1968. Most of the program's rain did fall over Laos, which the sentence left out.

A man in a suit sits at a witness table covered with microphones in a paneled hearing room, with a senior officer in a light uniform standing behind him.
Melvin Laird before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, May 18, 1970.Warren K. Leffler, U.S. News & World Report, Library of Congress · colorized

On July 3, 1972, Seymour Hersh put the program on the front page of The New York Times. "The United States has been secretly seeding clouds over North Vietnam, Laos and South Vietnam to increase and control the rainfall for military purposes," his story began. Every person he quoted went unnamed. Two days later the last Popeye mission flew.

Unnamed sources are hard to judge. These can be graded, because the classified record came out two years later. Test six things Hersh reported.

Check the Unnamed SourcesHersh, 1972, against the record

Six claims. For each one, decide what the released record does.

No. 7Room S-116, the Capitol · March 20, 1974

An elephant labored

By January 1974 Laird had left the Pentagon to advise President Nixon. On January 28 he wrote to the Foreign Relations Committee to fix his testimony. "I have just been informed," he wrote, "that such activities were conducted over North Vietnam in 1967 and again in 1968." The letter stayed classified Secret.

On March 20 Pell's subcommittee heard the whole program in a closed hearing classified Top Secret.

Printed chart headed SEASIA Rainmaking, supplied by Department of Defense, reading: a classified rainmaking program was conducted in SEASIA from 1967 to 1972 which employed air dropped silver and lead iodide seeding units to increase normal monsoon rainfall.
Chart 1 of the briefing, as printed when the transcript was released.U.S. Senate hearing record, 1974
Portrait of a lean man with dark combed hair in a dark suit and tie.
Claiborne Pell, senator from Rhode Island, around 1969.U.S. Government · colorized

Pell asked why such modest results had been guarded so tightly.

SENATOR PELL. From what you say, I am reminded of the old maxim. An "elephant labored and a mouse came forth." What was the reason for this great secrecy?

GENERAL FURLONG. Your observation ... I think reflects in large measure our current perception of the classification.

Maj. Gen. Ray Furlong, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense · closed hearing, March 20, 1974

The transcript was released on May 19, 1974. Pell kept pushing for a ban. On May 18, 1977, the United States and 33 other nations signed the Environmental Modification Convention in Geneva. It bans military use of techniques that change the environment with "widespread, long-lasting or severe effects." The Senate approved it 98 to 0 in 1979.

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Sources

Convention on the prohibition of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques. (1977, May 18). Summary and ratification record, Federation of American Scientists.
Hersh, S. M. (1972, July 3). Rainmaking is used as weapon by U.S. The New York Times, p. 1.
Kohler, F. D. (1967, January 13). Memorandum to Secretary of State Rusk: Weather modification in North Vietnam and Laos (Project Popeye). In Foreign relations of the United States, 1964 to 1968, Vol. XXVIII, Laos, Document 274. Office of the Historian, U.S. Department of State.
Rush, K. (1973, June 28). Memorandum to President Nixon: Weather modification. In Foreign relations of the United States, 1969 to 1976, Vol. E-14, Part 2, Document 9. Office of the Historian, U.S. Department of State.
The Pentagon Papers, Gravel edition. (1971). Vol. 4, ch. 2, Programs A, B and C, late February 1967. Beacon Press.
U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Oceans and International Environment of the Committee on Foreign Relations. (1974). Weather modification: Hearings, 93rd Cong., 2nd sess., March 20, 1974, top secret briefing released May 19, 1974, pp. 87 to 123. Government Printing Office. Texas Tech University, The Vietnam Center and Archive.
Photographs: U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy and National Archives, NOAA, the LBJ Presidential Library, and the U.S. News & World Report collection at the Library of Congress, via Wikimedia Commons, public domain. Cap cloud photograph by Dhaluza, CC BY 2.5. Colorized photographs are digital interpretations of black and white originals. Charts and maps from the 1974 Senate hearing record, realigned so the base map holds still.
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